Bliss: I died for the past several years when mxrp went to the dumpster in the sky for a while 19:13:55
rawr: RP as a whole feels like its been swallowed by discord but discord as a platform is so deeply atomized there's really no easy way to garner intercommunity cohesion or maintain a consistent active presence between individualized gated servers and that just does not shine nor sparkle for me 19:14:52
eE: I miss pesterchum 19:15:06
rawr: AUGH pesterchum 19:15:14
Bliss: Pesterchum still exists 19:15:15
rawr: the visions hit me I am in the throes 19:15:24
Bliss: Its under someone else now 19:15:24
eE: For real? 19:15:42
Bliss: The karkat in the chat shared it to us yesterday 19:15:45
Bliss: Yep 19:15:46
eE: Well now i need to look it up 19:16:05
eE: Oh this color is way worse on light than i thought 19:16:16
eE: This will have to do 19:16:50
rawr: its okay I have an extension that beats websites into having a dark mood when I say so 19:17:13
Bliss: Also sadly one thing is pesterchum is not like it use to be there are active users but people don't seem to rp like it use to 19:17:19
Bliss: But thats also probably because everyone assumes it's still shut down 19:17:54
Bliss: Lmao 19:17:55
eE: Homestuck has just gone the way of superwholock 19:18:00
Bliss: Yea that's fair 19:18:14
eE: Series ended and no amount of fanmade content will bring it back into the fandom consciousness 19:18:28
rawr: lmao 19:18:33
Bliss: The funny thing is hsbc seems to be helping 19:18:50
rawr: I mean that and the wackass shit whatpumpkin got up to after the fact kinda killed what remaining fire there was 19:18:54
eE: I appreciate what james roach is doing but i do not think he'll leave a mark 19:19:20
rawr: I don't really think there's any way to make hs2 good. 19:19:40
eE: Most everyone who experienced homestuck during their formative years are burnt out adults with no time for rp these days anyway 19:19:48
Bliss: Unless they re-halled it 19:19:49
Bliss: There is no way 19:19:52
Bliss: I will say the only funny thing about hsbc is hussie named one character that was new and wouldn't budge 19:20:31
Bliss: It was yiffany 19:20:38
Bliss: He left one last fuck you to the fandom and honestly I understand why 19:20:54
Bliss: But apparently james roach has a lot to fix 19:21:05
rawr: I could launch into angry rants but I don't want to do that to two people I just met lol 19:21:22
eE: No toolbox exists big enough to fix what hussie left behind 19:21:27
Bliss: Fair I did that yesterday 19:21:34
Bliss: The canon ending of hs is literally when they ended and everyone decided to take a nap and get married ect 19:22:18
Bliss: That's it 19:22:20
Bliss: I am happy with that 19:22:26
Bliss: If I want to ruin characters I will do it in rp lmao 19:22:53
eE: Canon ending is they threw lord english into the black hole that was hussie's ego and fucked off to do whatever they wanted after 19:23:00
Bliss: Yep 19:23:18
rawr: I could say a lot about hussie's toxic sense of irony poisoning and the inexcusable way he used his acerbic relationship with his fandom to systematically vivisect the two LGBT+ relationships in his comic unjustly using Jade Harley as a knightstick to beat them to death and what that says about him as a person bUUUUUUUUUUUUUT 19:23:21
rawr: okay I had to get that one bit out lol 19:23:26
Bliss: Fair 19:23:38
Bliss: I hated that they turned roxy trans then non-binary then tried to go lol we don't know what to do with her 19:23:59
Bliss: I will never forgive them 19:24:06
Bliss: Stop hurting my babies 19:24:14
rawr: I hated that they turned Roxy trans specifically so "ultimate dirk" would have an additional strider to fetishistically abuse but from a fun quirky new transphobic angle now 19:24:31
eE: TransMASC roxy is so telling 19:24:58
eE: They read the assignment but did not understand it 19:25:05
rawr: there is a depth of deep and abiding transphobia to V's contributions to canon specifically. gestures to the fact that their ass wrote the lanque plot which was also a huge middle finger to transmascs 19:25:12
Bliss: Like look roxy of all the kids was the most happy about who she was and her body AFTER kicking an addiction 19:25:47
rawr: hussie hired a weird asshole to write transphobia into the canon of Homestuck and they both should be thrown off a cliff 19:25:47
Bliss: They then said fuck you 19:25:52
Bliss: I hate the transphobia shit too 19:26:07
rawr: Roxy is overwhelmingly tfemme vibes. making her tmasc is a bizarre move that shows a complete lack of understanding of the characters they wrote in this essay i 19:26:17
rawr: there are a lot of tmasc feeling characters in Homestuck Roxy is. what. why. why Roxy. 19:26:55
Bliss: It was because of the chromosome jokes 19:27:32
Bliss: With the names 19:27:34
Bliss: Is why this happened 19:27:37
Bliss: It's why people transcoded john the moment hussie said something 19:27:56
eE: The transmasc vibes are a spectrum with dirk and equius at a 10 and roxy and john at a 0 19:28:06
Bliss: Exactly 19:28:15
rawr: dirk is the most tmasc character ever committed to fiction 19:28:30
Bliss: Also I won't lie if john was anything he'd be non-binary 19:28:34
Bliss: Like no offense to june 19:28:39
eE: I don't agree but fair take 19:29:00
Bliss: It's just john was always more gender-fluid/non-binary but then again I never saw him express too many grievances 19:29:21
rawr: john's entire fucking character is that he is a barely-cognizant whisper on the wind like he is the ultimate "guided" character he never makes decisions or has complex feelings on his own that's the bit that's his schtick he would be so overwhelmingly agender 19:29:23
Bliss: True 19:29:28
Bliss: Lmao 19:29:29
rawr: I can understand June as a concept 19:29:37
rawr: June I can accept 19:29:39
Bliss: Yes 19:29:44
rawr: I just cant imagine Egbert having strong feelings about *anything* 19:29:51
rawr: including gender 19:29:53
Bliss: Fair 19:29:56
eE: John has a certain way of speaking that, to me, screams something is not quite right and it would be fixed instantly by actually seeing gender 19:30:00
Bliss: Fair enough 19:30:11
rawr: I absolutely agree 19:30:11
rawr: john's detachment could very much be read as dissociation of the self due to an overwhelming disconnect from the body 19:30:36
eE: That and his stupid thing where he separates compound words into two words 19:30:52
eE: Ass hole 19:31:04
Bliss: Like john is so complex but so simple in so many ways 19:31:13
Bliss: It's like bruh 19:31:16
eE: Video game 19:31:41
Bliss: But yea I never liked the whole lets suddenly change characters randomly because wouldn't it be funny moments 19:32:00
Bliss: When there are characters right there for that 19:32:07
eE: That's a marvel moment 19:32:16
Bliss: In the backround literally begging to have more 19:32:18
rawr: it feels Rowling esque 19:32:24
rawr: "Dumbledore is gay" 19:32:27
rawr: 10 years after the books ended 19:32:34
eE: When the writers are so bored of the source material that they have to invent horrible aus just to feel something 19:32:40
rawr: if this character was meant to be trans write it into the fiction 19:32:42
Bliss: Literally just yelling out and pointing gay and it's now canon lol 19:32:50
Bliss: I hated how they hurt dirk honestly 19:32:58
Bliss: He did not deserve that 19:33:02
eE: None of them deserved any of that 19:33:08
rawr: ultimate dirk makes me rabid 19:33:09
rawr: I despise it as a concept 19:33:16
Bliss: Using classpect is not an excuse to use it to be evil 19:33:20
rawr: it is such a slap in the face to all of dirk's character development 19:33:30
Bliss: Trauma sure but they straight up go nah it's because he's a prince 19:33:33
rawr: claiming dirk is anything like bro is such an insult 19:33:36
Bliss: Like he literally did everything in his power to become better 19:33:50
Bliss: Only to get tossed to the wolves by someones hc 19:34:04
Bliss: Poor dude 19:34:08
rawr: I belieeeeeve hussie admitted somewhere that they project the most into the striders. and I cant help but look at how they treated dirk specifically and say "get a fucking therapist dude" 19:34:35
eE: A tentacle therapist? 19:34:51
Bliss: LMAO 19:34:54
rawr: pfffff 19:34:56
Bliss: Honestly if they wanted to do the trauma after math theme they could have done it so well 19:35:13
Bliss: But all they did was kill off ships to make there own ships 19:35:23
Bliss: And just went nuts with the I am darkness 19:35:36
Bliss: I will be evil 19:35:43
eE: As much as i enjoy trauma porn in media i do not think hussie is the right author to put it in text 19:35:54
eE: Nor anyone he trusts 19:36:00
Bliss: Yea 19:36:15
eE: He is as a person incapable of taking his own trauma seriously enough to adequately address any other trauma with the gravity it deserves 19:36:35
rawr: given hussie constantly lampshaded any trauma or character development in the comic proper I think mx hipster irony poisoning embodied should not be tackling anything serious ever 19:36:43
rawr: HONESTLY. GOOD WAY TO PUT IT. 19:36:54
Bliss: He literally became an e-boy fuckboy juggalo the thing he loathed and made fun of it 19:37:02
Bliss: The irony 19:37:16
rawr: hussie desperately needs therapy 19:37:19
eE: 2 million cash innoculated him against any effective therapy IMO 19:37:50
rawr: YEAH. 19:37:57
Bliss: Lmao 19:37:58
rawr: I diagnose him with please log off 19:38:07
eE: One doesn't make that much money over 2 weeks without getting at least a little more traumatized by it 19:38:16
rawr: you're not wrong 19:39:07
Bliss: In another timeline hussie would have made hsbc and we would have all been pissed 19:39:33
rawr: I take solace in the fact that it all crashed and burned 19:40:07
Bliss: I do like what james roach is trying to do though 19:40:14
rawr: its not gonna work but I respect it 19:40:24
Bliss: Like it won't fix shit really but I appreciate and respect him 19:40:32
rawr: the sheer volume of transphobia means I will never be able to connect with this 19:40:48
Bliss: Same 19:40:53
eE: Again i think james roach is trying his absolute hardest to make something at least presentable with what he was given but- 19:41:04
eE: I would trade all of HSBC for an violently funny legal case against the epilogues 19:41:29
rawr: the thing is he could've also just had Egbert reset the fucking timeline and started fresh. just. just do that. just fucking do that. just do it. trying to fix this isn't a noble act of suffering please just get rid of it. 19:41:49
Bliss: I wanted to read hsbc when it first came out but once I went into the epilogues I literally got so mad I almost threw something 19:41:57
eE: Can you imagine how funny that would be? If the epilogues were so horrendously bad that it was grounds for justified legal action? 19:42:02
rawr: I would love every moment 19:42:11
Bliss: Lmao 19:42:16
rawr: I was actually traumatized by the epilogues for a while any time they were brought up I was sent into a panic spiral for a good like 3 years 19:42:38
Bliss: Like I wasn't even into dirkjake that hard but what they did to them 19:42:49
Bliss: Was horrendous and unjust 19:42:57
eE: Imagine if the original forum hussie spawned in got together and claimed some directive credit for HS^2 and sued them like a playwright sues a bad adaptation of their play 19:43:01
Bliss: LMAo 19:43:12
rawr: I would love this please burn hussie to the ground 19:43:19
rawr: I want Homestuck to have ruined this man's life I'll be real 19:43:36
Bliss: Honestly at this point just free homestuck from its shackles 19:43:39
eE: I think it already has 19:43:48
rawr: yes but more 19:43:54
eE: That's why psycholonials was such a flop 19:43:59
Bliss: Well legally if you do to much with it hussie will kill you in court 19:44:07
rawr: what hussie did to sarahZ I really feel like was a final nail in the coffin 19:44:34
eE: Who? 19:44:45
rawr: oh dear 19:44:48
rawr: a video essayist tried to do a post-mortem on homestuck 19:44:58
rawr: and whatpumpkin sent her an official cease and desist letter 19:45:12
Bliss: Yea I remember that 19:45:15
eE: ... 19:45:16
rawr: and hussie tried to contact her directly 19:45:18
eE: To apologize? 19:45:39
Bliss: No for court 19:45:46
eE: ... 19:45:50
rawr: I really feel like that torched whatever remaining goodwill there was. you cant sent a c&d like that to a public critical figure without obliterating your reputation 19:45:54
eE: Knives! In my mouth! 19:46:03
rawr: sending a c&d to a critic in a fandom space is basically throwing in the towel 19:46:23
eE: Hussie must have hired some Nintendo IP flunkies for this level of protectiveness over their completely whatever material 19:46:57
Bliss: The weird part to me is it was only because she was a critic he hasn't gone after anyone selling merch or anything 19:47:39
rawr: lmaooooooo 19:47:40
Bliss: Which is weird in itself 19:47:45
Bliss: He just got his feelings hurt 19:47:52
rawr: its literally the worst possible move 19:48:00
rawr: if you c&d your critic everything they said is now incontrovertibly right in the eyes of the fandom 19:48:21
eE: Rowling behavior 19:48:31
Bliss: Ikr 19:48:39
rawr: REAL 19:48:39
Bliss: Bro the only ones who need a real c&d is rowling for sure 19:48:59
eE: I'm just waiting for the next big thing to be furry content 19:49:00
Bliss: Fair 19:49:31
rawr: ah is this his next "I'm doing it ironically" bit 19:49:44
rawr: you don't put that much incredibly niche furry fetish art in your comic ironically 19:50:00
eE: No I mean. I truly expect the next big thing to be some random furry media 19:50:15
eE: It's been long enough 19:50:23
Bliss: Another thing I will say a lot of the fandom for hs suddenly moved to vrchat for some reason even though when I was originally in vrchat for 5+ years nobody cared or knew 19:50:25
rawr: ohhhhh I thought you meant the next move from hussie lol 19:50:29
eE: I cannot get into vrchat 19:50:45
rawr: HS fandom in VRchat? wild 19:50:49
Bliss: I don't personally go on it as often as I use to 19:50:54
eE: Vr makes my head spin something fierce 19:50:59
rawr: most HS fans I know are now obsessed with TLT lol 19:51:05
Bliss: I am a female and get harassed quite often 19:51:27
rawr: eugh 19:51:34
Bliss: So I just stopped going into vrchat lmao 19:51:37
eE: I tried TLT but it was too visceral for me 19:51:40
rawr: yeah that's fair 19:51:46